Lets talk about helping the 602???

[FASTRAK PR]

FASTRAK finally had a suggestion from one of our teams, one that acutally runs a 604 by the way, that might actually be something we could consider implementing that would help the teams with 602's.

The dilema: 602 2250lbs- 604 2400lbs is the current weight rule.

We are told you can't take more weight off the 602's. Can't get the percentages. You can't put more weight on the 604'2. Some people having to add 200 lbs now.

Question: Give the 602 a 8 inch engine set back versus the current 6 inch. Keep the 604 at 6 inches.

Your thoughts?

[randy smith]

Stan we started with the 602 in a GRT and if we were to move the motor back 2 inchs we would have to change the rear motor mount a lot. What if you just made a different race for just the 602 motors, and put rules in place to make it a working man class. So more people with a smaller budget can still race. Example One rule can be, like a claim rule on the motor and on the whole car.

[Post Bop]

Tapered spacer or restrictor plates on the 604.

[dirtchaser]

this is posted on a tread on general discussions broad.
GENERAL RULES

1. Engine setback- 6” maximum, measured #1 spark plug to top center ball joint.
2. Rear of car may be opened.
3. 76” maximum width on body. 1” tolerance.
4. 101” minimum wheel base. May have air cleaner hole in the hood.
5. Rear spoiler can be from 8”; 72” wide. Side fins the same as spoiler. NO TOLERANCE.
6. No part of body may extend beyond the plane established by the 76” width.
7.Rear bumper may not extend over ½ width of rear tire on each side. May be curved inside rear quarter panels at 90 degree angle.
8. Shocks,any,buy rule(all 4,$700),(front 2,$400),(rear 2,$400)Tech will retain $100.
9. Carolina Clash body rules will apply.
ENGINE
GM 602 355HP 390 foot lbs Car Weight: 2400
All engines will be sealed. GM engines are sealed from the factory.
All Engines and parts must be as from factory and all components there of.
will honor any GM, Nesmith,Fastrak,NDRA Seals.

IGNITION SYSTEM
Factory stock HEI distributors.

FUEL SYSTEM
1. Fuel- Sunoco or Turbo-Blue fuel ONLY. Must pass track test.

2.Carburetor- Holley #4777 Box stock. May run any 1” spacer with 2 gaskets. May change jetting and remove choke linkage only.
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3. Fuel Pump- any mechanical, NO ELECTRIC.

4.Fuel cells MANDATORY (mounted in metal cans)

HEADERS
1.SPEC header # to come, No mufflers or cones of any kind.

DRIVE LINE
1. Clutch assembly- ANY
2. Flywheel- ANY
3. Transmission- ANY - Must have working reverse.
4. Drive shaft- ANY,needs to be painted white for safety
5. Rear End- Any quick change type rearend.


TIRES
HOOSIER Spec.1350 and 1600,American Racer Spec.44 and 48, Goodyear 45 and 50, No grooving or sipping
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SAFETY
1. Full face helmet, complete fire suit- MANDATORY
2. Roll cage- MANDATORY-Must have minimum of three (3) bars in drivers door.
3. Window net- MANDATORY
4. Fuel cell- MANDATORY (mounted in metal can)
5. Seat belts-Five (5) point system- MANDATORY
6 Wind shield screen- MANDATORY
7. Fire extinguisher- with gauge, mounted in a quick release harness in reach of driver-MANDATORY
8. Battery-Must be mounted outside of drivers’ compartment or in enclosed bolted down metal box.
9.Fuel lines-must be under car or in tubing.

PROTEST RULE
Protest on compression, valves springs, spacer, carb.off, header off and cam lift to GM specifications. Fee is $150.00. $50.00 to accept track will retain acceptance fee for tech..May protest complete engine for $800 acceptance fee is $200,track will retain acceptance fee for tech.

CLAIM RULES
All claims or protests must be made within 5 minutes after completion of the race. Claims or protests shall be restricted to the main event only.

Engine Claim: Claimer fee on engine 602 of $3200.00. Track will keep $100.00.

Carb. Claim: $420.00. Track keeps $20.00

Winner only can be claimed. Any car on the lead lap can claim the winner. If more than one car claims any part of the winning car, the car that finished farther back in the race gets the claim.

Claim is for engine as delivered from factory and will include only the items as purchased from G.M.

Claim Refusal:
Refusal you will forfeit all points for that year and money won that event.


Track will oversee all claims. Any unsportsmanlike like conduct will not be tolerated. All claimed engines will be inspected for broken bolts or any sabotaged parts. If this is found, it will be handled with fines or ejection from the track and forfeit of all money and points.

*THESE RULES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE OR BE ALTERED FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMPETETITORS
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[FASTRAK PR]

Originally Posted by randy smith

Stan we started with the 602 in a GRT and if we were to move the motor back 2 inchs we would have to change the rear motor mount a lot. What if you just made a different race for just the 602 motors, and put rules in place to make it a working man class. So more people with a smaller budget can still race. Example One rule can be, like a claim rule on the motor and on the whole car.

I'll pass that along to Stan. I do know he is concerned as to how to involve more teams and make everyone feel like they at least have a chance. Is that impossible? Thats the magic answer.

I'll let him know.

[phillips22]

Originally Posted by FASTRAK PR

FASTRAK finally had a suggestion from one of our teams, one that acutally runs a 604 by the way, that might actually be something we could consider implementing that would help the teams with 602's.

The dilema: 602 2250lbs- 604 2400lbs is the current weight rule.

We are told you can't take more weight off the 602's. Can't get the percentages. You can't put more weight on the 604'2. Some people having to add 200 lbs now.

Question: Give the 602 a 8 inch engine set back versus the current 6 inch. Keep the 604 at 6 inches.

Your thoughts?

Look at it this way there is nothing you can do now about the 604's you have already screwed crate racing by bring that motor into it and you cant put the crap back into the horse so do this (Chris Steele is going to be mad at me) leave the 602 rules like they are make the rules not blueprinting and no rebuilds when your motor is done and you want another you go somewhere and you turn your motor in and for a core charge you get a new one that has been rebuilt by one of the Fastrak motor builders that you have now, and none of the motor builders have no idea whos motor they are working on Chevy sends them motors they rebuild them and a truck comes by and picks them up and they are turned back out to the GM dealers!

[RicochetRabbit]

Stan: This engine thing is really simple and you are the only one who can fix it. I'am sure some people want like it, but whats new? Not sure about the revenue generated between Fastrak and the "authorized builders" if any,but thats just how the chips fall. Rule#1 (and the only rule) Buy a engine from GM. Take it out of the crate. Install your High Performance bolt ons on the engine. Record the serial number with Fastrak. Put the engine in the car and run it. If it blows up let some one decide who's fault it was.( poor maintenance,turning to hard etc.) After you have run it for awhile and it gets tired, pull it out, rebuild it yourself and put in your truck. Everybody knows, out of the box these engines will last a long time if you take care of them. You guys need to put your Big Boys on and WRITE THE RULES. Stan you run the show, so run it. Period. End of subject.JMO

[HENDRENS RACING ENGINES]

After reading the various postings on the expense of racing the 602 and that there not competitive,The only way the 602 guys other than Chris steel and a few others who run good are going to be happy is to start a new class for them with el cheapo everything on the car.example,chassis must be at least 3 years old,oil shocks,spec hard tire,HEI only,box stock 4777 carb,no spacer,stock cast iron water pump,v belt pulleys only, no trick transmissions or low friction rear ends,no magnesium anywhere,no gun drilled axles,no light weight spindles or hubs,this should give you the most basic car available and stop all the he is out $$$$ me statements. Bill

[sdm]

That post by hendrens is right on. Racing is expensive, nothing you can do about it.

[HENDRENS RACING ENGINES]

Originally Posted by RicochetRabbit

Stan: This engine thing is really simple and you are the only one who can fix it. I'am sure some people want like it, but whats new? Not sure about the revenue generated between Fastrak and the "authorized builders" if any,but thats just how the chips fall. Rule#1 (and the only rule) Buy a engine from GM. Take it out of the crate. Install your High Performance bolt ons on the engine. Record the serial number with Fastrak. Put the engine in the car and run it. If it blows up let some one decide who's fault it was.( poor maintenance,turning to hard etc.) After you have run it for awhile and it gets tired, pull it out, rebuild it yourself and put in your truck. Everybody knows, out of the box these engines will last a long time if you take care of them. You guys need to put your Big Boys on and WRITE THE RULES. Stan you run the show, so run it. Period. End of subject.JMO

You would be surprised at how many problems we see with factory engines.broken rocker studs,valves seized in the guide bad roller lifters,valve seat leakage of 15 % or more.
How would you like to buy a new engine and have a valve stem seize to the guide the first night out? remember there are absolutely no warranty's on these engines. you have one choice,spend another $5000.00 on another new engine.
With a re builder at least you can get it fixed for a couple of hundred dollars and go race
What happens if the engine you bought makes 30 less h.p. than the average? you currently have two choices,buy a new one and gamble again or have yours blueprinted where you know you will have the power that was suppose to be there in the first place? I know what i would do,get it blueprinted and go race knowing i have as much power as any other legal engine. Bill