Lets talk about helping the 602???

[phillips22]

Originally Posted by HENDRENS RACING ENGINES

You would be surprised at how many problems we see with factory engines.broken rocker studs,valves seized in the guide bad roller lifters,valve seat leakage of 15 % or more.
How would you like to buy a new engine and have a valve stem seize to the guide the first night out? remember there are absolutely no warranty's on these engines. you have one choice,spend another $5000.00 on another new engine.
With a re builder at least you can get it fixed for a couple of hundred dollars and go race
What happens if the engine you bought makes 30 less h.p. than the average? you currently have two choices,buy a new one and gamble again or have yours blueprinted where you know you will have the power that was suppose to be there in the first place? I know what i would do,get it blueprinted and go race knowing i have as much power as any other legal engine. Bill

Funny thing about what you are saying is that Buckinghiam SAID he could be not telling the truth but he said he never rebuilds a motor buys them and puts them in his car right out of the crate!

If I have said it once I have said it 1000 times when Fastrak approved motor builders start competing to have the best rebuilt suppost to be equal motors there is something wrong!

Rebuilds should be handled thru they series/GM and no motor builder should know whos motor they are working on!

[HookedOnDirt01]

no matter what you do, someone is always going to complain

[HENDRENS RACING ENGINES]

Originally Posted by phillips22

Funny thing about what you are saying is that Buckinghiam SAID he could be not telling the truth but he said he never rebuilds a motor buys them and puts them in his car right out of the crate!

If I have said it once I have said it 1000 times when Fastrak approved motor builders start competing to have the best rebuilt suppost to be equal motors there is something wrong!

Rebuilds should be handled thru they series/GM and no motor builder should know whos motor they are working on!

First off Buckingham is telling you the truth, he runs stock engines,he is sponsored by Nesmith and if he gets a dead player he just gets another untill he has a good one.

There is no competition between builders that I am aware of. we all have the same set of specs that we have to maintain. its not like an open motor where my hundreds of hours on the dyno with just the cam gives us an advantage on cams over a builder that didn't do the research.

In the case of a crate any engine builder with the correct machines and the ability to maintain exacting standards can produce exactly the same power as I can or any other approved builder. In any case it wouldn't be more power than you could get from a stock G.M. engine that happened to have the tolerance stack up in a favorable way.

As for the engine builder not knowing who owns the engine he is working on,I don't like that idea, that is one way we get customers,its called customer service,what do we have to offer over any other certified builder?,not H.P. there all the same if the builder took the time to make sure everything is to spec. we offer service before,during, and after the sale such as inspecting the car and repairing fuel system problems,polarizing the msd system,checking for the coil orange and black running separately from the mag pick up wires, free chassis dyno time to make sure the engine,fuel system,header system,extensions and car are dialed in. we want our customers in the front and go out of our way to do it.
By the way,all these services are free to our engine customers so they would loose as well as us if engines were assembly line built without knowing the owner . Bill

[sdm]

We race and I would not like not knowing who built my motor. There are a couple of builders that I do not want a motor from. Hendrens does ours and he does a good job and is helpful.

[toolman_nc8]

2 classes,,leave the 604's where they are at

602 economy class with a possible 2 barrell carb, standard non adjustable gas shocks and 2400 lbs so the older cars can run..

I personally liked the idea of a bigger spec engine but it lost direction.

[phillips22]

Originally Posted by HENDRENS RACING ENGINES

First off Buckingham is telling you the truth, he runs stock engines,he is sponsored by Nesmith and if he gets a dead player he just gets another untill he has a good one.

There is no competition between builders that I am aware of. we all have the same set of specs that we have to maintain. its not like an open motor where my hundreds of hours on the dyno with just the cam gives us an advantage on cams over a builder that didn't do the research.

In the case of a crate any engine builder with the correct machines and the ability to maintain exacting standards can produce exactly the same power as I can or any other approved builder. In any case it wouldn't be more power than you could get from a stock G.M. engine that happened to have the tolerance stack up in a favorable way.

As for the engine builder not knowing who owns the engine he is working on,I don't like that idea, that is one way we get customers,its called customer service,what do we have to offer over any other certified builder?,not H.P. there all the same if the builder took the time to make sure everything is to spec. we offer service before,during, and after the sale such as inspecting the car and repairing fuel system problems,polarizing the msd system,checking for the coil orange and black running separately from the mag pick up wires, free chassis dyno time to make sure the engine,fuel system,header system,extensions and car are dialed in. we want our customers in the front and go out of our way to do it.
By the way,all these services are free to our engine customers so they would loose as well as us if engines were assembly line built without knowing the owner . Bill

I agree all of that is great but if the motor owner wants and sees fit he can still have you do that work for him after the motor has been bought for a fee that you as a shop can charge for your services!

I think that a builder that goes above and beyond like you do is great my only point is the motor as it comes from GM, and I am not talking about GM going to the builders with the best price or the lowest bid I am talking about every motor builder making the same money for every motor turned out and using the same builders that are inplace right now!

[DoubleDeucesFan]

Originally Posted by randy smith

Stan we started with the 602 in a GRT and if we were to move the motor back 2 inchs we would have to change the rear motor mount a lot. What if you just made a different race for just the 602 motors, and put rules in place to make it a working man class. So more people with a smaller budget can still race. Example One rule can be, like a claim rule on the motor and on the whole car.

Great idea it is hard to get into crate racing now days. It was originally meant to be ecomomical and I am not saying that it isn't compared to SLM however this would be a great starting point for beginners. I would like to make the suggestion that there also be limits on the carbs, shocks, and a few other things that make getting into crate racing expensive.

DDF

[racerm146]

Either have a separate class for 602 or adjust the 604 via something simple,carb or weight. IMO the 602 should have been for weekly racing while the 604 for big events. We have both engines and sure as heck dont need to have different driveshafts, etc, to use the 602. Mike

[#1dirttracker]

Come on you guys,cant we all just get along?